Burnt Orange Report

I'm not sure that advocating prosecution of immigration laws necessarily translates into bigotry, but in today's climate I can see how the staged "hunt" at UNT would be taken for such.

At any rate, after watching the video via the Statesman, the only hatred I saw was being directed at the YCT "immigrant-haters." I don't think such behavior is ever warranted. The protestors lost the moral high ground with their petty reaction to the rumored "hunt" at UT.

Campus politics never fails to entertain (but always fails to enlighten).

It's amazing how people forget the past so easily. Protests of YCT's Texas Independence Day events are nothing new--does anyone remember MEChA members regurgitating cake given to them by YCT?

The most pathetic part of this is that the protesters needed to create a BS excuse instead of just admitting their distaste for Independence Day. It's bad enough that the University no longer commemmorates the day in the manner it once did, but now a peaceful display by a student group is ruined while the administration just stands by. Absolutely pathetic.

It's amazing how people don't read post before they comment. Here you go White Devil:

First, don't buy the YCT innocent defense or "we never planned to have such an event" garbage. They talked about it two week ago, kept trying to land a date, and were discussing it the day before with officials in the Student Services Building. They used Texas Independence Day as cover.

should read "don't read posts"

-N

These emails were sent out on the YCT list:
[YCT-UT:238] DON'T TALK TO THE PRESS

NOBODY IN THIS ORGANIZATION IS AUTHORIZED TO TALK TO THE PRESS OR
ANSWSER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING YCT, EXECPT ME. (NOT EVEN OFFICERS)

THIS IS TRUE ALWAYS, BUT ESPECIALLY TODAY AND TOMORROW

IF YOU ARE ASKED A QUESTION, RESPOND ALWAYS, "NO COMMENT"

[YCT-UT:239] Sorry, Please Read

YCT: I didn't mean to sound like a dictator when I sent out that email
about not talking to the press. The reason I sent it out bold and to the
point is because I wanted to make sure that everybody read it. We've had
some press problems in the last 24 hours. I retract my last email and am
sending this one instead:

Just a reminder: Please remember that only members with express
authoritzation from me can speak on behalf of YCT to the press. This is
a policy put in place to protect the organization. I trust all of
y'all, but we have had problems in the past when folks commented to the
press without knowing all the facts of what YCT was doing. I don't want
to hog the limelight, though. If you would like to speak to the press,
please consult with me so we can make sure we are on the same page and
everyone knows all the facts. But until that has happened and you have
my expressed approval, I have to ask everyone to avoid speaking to the
press for the protection of the group. Thanks for your cooperation and
I look forward to seeing y'all tomorrow at Texas Independence Day!!

(Found these elsewhere, just thought I'd pass them along. Not sure authenticity. I merely offer them to spark more discussion.)

I didn't watch the video until I read the first comment, and I have to say, if "gringo salado" thinks THAT'S hatred, perhaps the definition of hatred should be rethought.

It probably should have gotten so empassioned, perhaps. But maybe people are sick and tired of this crap. And save the boo-hooing over losing a TID celebration. No one's buying it.

I would define hatred as a somewhat irrational and intense hostility. I'd be happy to entertain your opinion of how I need to rethink this definition.

And yes, based on the video I saw via the Statesman, the actions of a few of the protestors did look like hatred to me, particularly one protestor who appeared to violently shove some YCT folks and who, it looked like, had to be restrained by a UTPD officer.

Pushing, shoving, screaming, throwing things, I would say constitutes evidence of hatred.

Just my opinion.

Perhaps I should just describe the actions of the protestors as "intolerant" of YCT members and leave it at that, I only described it as "hatred" to point out what I thought was an overwrought description of the YCT's platform, or whatever it was that the protestors were, well, protesting with their "hate is not activism" theme.

I googled the UNT's YCT chapter and their "immigrant hunt" and have to agree that their, um, demonstration, as was reported, could indeed be regarded as bigoted, and also perhaps hateful. I'm glad the UT chapter elected to avoid repeating this mistake, but that they would even entertain it, if in fact they did, and your emails notwithstanding I've seen no credible evidence they were going to do so, is grounds for considerable criticism. But not an excuse for the protestors' actions I saw on the video, in my opinion.

Reasonable folks had a golden opportunity to expose the stupidity of such an attitude as that espoused by the UNT YCT chapter and squandered it, I think, by somehow enciting the melee that I saw recording on tape via the Statesman.

Rounding up and deporting undocumented immigrants should be an obviously unworkable policy to any thinking person, but unfortunately this debate is being thwarted by both the UNT YCT and the protestors on the West Mall.

should read "...melee that I saw *RECORDED* on tape via the Statesman."

Also, Hook 'Em, and I'm glad I found this blog, Kudos to the authors and their efforts.

This is my first visit to this charming website and I must say I am extremely impressed by the professionalism. I am also touched that Mr. Musselman was kind enough to read my article on the protest. While I don't wish to take this discussion away from the protest, I thought it would be worthwhile to point out a little disingenuousness on his part. He claims that I put that business greeks, rec sports, conservatives in a section discussing qualifications for office. Au Contraire my arrogant online friend, the section was titled "Other than official organizations, what communities do you feel you represent?" so while that was a nice effort to make me look silly, try to stay honest, eh? Also, I will post the entire questionarre at my much more humble blog www.jamesburnham.blogspot.com. Cheers.

gringo salado -

fair enough. i can agree that they were too "intense" to gain the respect of moderates and fair-minded folks who don't like images of screaming minorities. that's just a fact of life.

i personally would have suggested that the 300 err on the side of being intensely civil. no screaming, no yelling, no reason for cops to get involved. not because it's the right thing to do per se. but because the power of the media can distort any actions like this into showing the group as a unruly mob of brown and black people. and in a town like austin, you have to shoot for the middle, not the extreme. that way you don't get written off.

but i see where they would come from. at my college campus, we've run the gambit of slightly annoying remarks to overtly offensive screamings out of dorm windows to threatening bodily harm in terms of what racism creates. and at UT, this event (if it was going to happen - which i personally believe that it was going to) is just another brick in the wall that YCT is trying to build on campus to make the campus unwelcome to minorities/foreigners who dissent from their views. and sometimes brick walls can only come down with a wrecking ball.

Guys!
Love the blog. Not a Texan, but I do have a good friend in, and therefore spend some time every now and then in San Antonio. (Enough that I know that it's Bay-er county, no matter how it's spelled!)

But I'm confused!

WTH is a reactionary leftist? Is that like sky-blue pink? Or a Nobel Prize winning Aggie?

If someone thinks that make sense, no wonder about why we get such stellar politicians out of the Great State of.....