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October 14, 2004

Lynne Cheney's Ashamed of her Daughter

By Byron LaMasters

Too bad. I was very impressed with the way that Dick Cheney thanked John Edwards for the kind words about his daughter, but his wife obviously doesn't feel the same way. Apparently, Kerry is a "bad man" for mentioning that Mary Cheney is who she is, and John Kerry supports her, while Mary Cheney's mother obviously feels uncomfortable:

Lynne V. Cheney, wife of Vice President Cheney, accused John F. Kerry on Wednesday night of "a cheap and tawdry political trick" and said he "is not a good man" after he brought up their daughter's homosexuality at the final presidential debate.

Mary Cheney, one of the vice president's two daughters and an official of the Bush-Cheney campaign, has been open about her lesbian status. The candidates were asked if they believe homosexuality is a choice, and President Bush did not mention Mary Cheney. Then Kerry said, "If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

Lynne Cheney issued her post-debate rebuke to a cheering crowd outside Pittsburgh. "The only thing I can conclude is he is not a good man. I'm speaking as a mom," she said. "What a cheap and tawdry political trick."

Glad that was cleared up.

Via Political Wire.

Update: Elizabeth Edwards shares my thoughts:

ELIZABETH EDWARDS ACCUSES LYNNE CHENEY OF "SHAME" OF HER DAUGHTER: "She's overreacted to this and treated it as if it's shameful to have this discussion. I think that's a very sad state of affairs… I think that it indicates a certain degree of shame with respect to her daughter's sexual preferences… It makes me really sad that that's Lynne's response."

MyDD reminds us that Mary Cheney was the only member of the Cheney family absent from the stage after Daddy's big speech at the GOP convention.

Andrew Sullivan also notes that the right wing is in a tizzy over all of it:

All Kerry did was invoke the veep's daughter to point out that obviously homosexuality isn't a choice, in any meaningful sense. The only way you can believe that citing Mary Cheney amounts to "victimization" is if you believe someone's sexual orientation is something shameful. Well, it isn't. What's revealing is that this truly does expose the homophobia of so many - even in the mildest "we'll-tolerate-you-but-shut-up-and-don't-complain" form. Mickey Kaus, for his part, cannot see any reason for Kerry to mention Mary except as some Machiavellian scheme to pander to bigots. Again: huh? Couldn't it just be that Kerry thinks of gay people as human beings like straight people - and mentioning their lives is not something we should shrink from? Isn't that the simplest interpretation? In many speeches on marriage rights, I cite Mary Cheney. Why? Because it exposes the rank hypocrisy of people like president Bush and Dick and Lynne Cheney who don't believe gays are anti-family demons but want to win the votes of people who do. I'm not outing any gay person. I'm outing the double standards of straight ones. They've had it every which way for decades, when gay people were invisible. Now they have to choose.

Right on. Boi From Troy still echoes the tired old this-is-a-cynical-Machiavellian-ploy line that the right wing is jumping on. But then he goes on:

It seems consistent with the Democratic ticket's refusal to publicly support substantive gay rights during the debates.

Huh? John Kerry has a 100% ranking from the HRC and has a very public GLBT civil rights platform on his website. But I guess that's not public or substantive enough for Boi From Troy. Personally, I found Kerry to be both last night:

But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people.

You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth.

Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately.

Having mentioned HRC, they have some statements out today:

On the debate last night:

“President Bush has been promoting discrimination and using a constitutional amendment as his weapon. You can’t respect and discriminate at the same time. President Bush put politics ahead of the science that being gay is not a choice. Senator Kerry made clear that gay Americans should have the basic rights, responsibilities and protections that all American families have. Senator Kerry made clear that it is wrong that in most states it is legal to fire the star employee simply because of who they are.”

On Lynne Cheney's remarks:

“President Bush missed one more chance to denounce discrimination last night so it is bewildering that Lynne Cheney instead attacked Senator Kerry.

“Senator Kerry made clear that gay Americans should have the same basic rights, responsibilities and protections as every other American.

“Vice President Cheney first discussed his own daughter in the context of this issue two months ago and it is not surprising that Senator Kerry mentioned her experience as emblematic of millions of gay Americans.

“Senator Kerry was speaking to millions of American families who have hard-working, tax-paying gay friends and family members.”

Posted by Byron LaMasters at October 14, 2004 10:52 AM | TrackBack


Big loser as an issue for Kerry, so I'm glad to see you kids playing it up. Besides, where's your outrage for Kerry refusing to stand up more strongly for the gays?

Very surprising that everybody on the left is suddenly such experts on what Lynne Cheney feels for her daughter.

Posted by: Chris Elam at October 14, 2004 01:05 PM

I thought Kerry's response was fine. Is he perfect on glbt issues? Of course not. But is he right on about 95% of the issues and is he the the most pro-glbt major party nominee in U.S. history? Absolutely. In 2004, that's good enough for me.

Posted by: Byron L at October 14, 2004 02:17 PM

What part of "during the debates" didn't you understand?

And if you want to talk about John Kerry's *record* don't get me started!

Posted by: BoiFromTroy at October 14, 2004 02:55 PM

Boi From Troy is right, at least on one point: mentions of Mary Cheney specifically are intended to undercut Bush's support among anti-gay voters.

Why that bothers them, I can only guess. It's not because Kerry's mentioning Cheney's sexuality to hurt Bush; Bush built his campaign on anti-gay bigotry, and unlike Kerry, he's being exploiting it to forward an explicitly anti-gay agenda. They're fine with that.

More likely, it's because it's causing them to lose votes, even if they are the votes of anti-gay bigots. They were counting on those, apparently.

Honestly, if in 1948, Harry Truman had mentioned that he was glad that Strom Thurmond had been so supportive of his daughter, Essie, would it have wrong, because it would have hurt Thurmond among his racist base? I don't think so. But then, I'm not a righty.

Posted by: Drew at October 14, 2004 03:33 PM

As Rush Limbaugh so aptly pointed out today..

If they had been discussing mental health, and President Bush had brought up the bouts of depression Kerry's first wife suffered through during their marriage... the outrage from you kids would be through the roof.

You would have screamed - "That has nothing to do with this race!" And you would have been right.

Drew's got it exactly right. This is just an attempt to cut off voters on Bush's base who may not have known that Cheney has a gay daughter. I'm sure you have Lynne Cheney quivering in fear now that you've exposed her daughter for what she is.

So yes, please do keep talking about this issue. The GOP thanks you. =)

Of all places where I thought we might see a cogent analysis of the struggles and pressures facing parents of gays... And this is the best you guys can give? "Kerry's good enough for me"?

Posted by: Chris Elam at October 14, 2004 05:39 PM

It's not like Mary Cheney's lesbianism was a classified secret and all the cries of "foul" over using a candidate's child to make a political point is nothing more than partisan hypocrisy(especially when one knows the vice president has publicly talked about his daughter's lesbianism).

I have no idea how Mrs. Cheney feels about her daughter but, according to Mrs. Cheney's quoted words mentioned in this article: http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=121 , she has a problem with her daughter's lesbianism.

I see the whole outcry as sound and fury that signifies nothing(paraphrasing the Bard).

Posted by: jlk at October 14, 2004 08:21 PM

Except, of course, that Dick Cheney's daughter is an official member of the BC'04 campaign, Chris Elam. Except, of course, that you and Rush are putting homosexuality on par with a disease. Lovely.

Posted by: Grunt at October 14, 2004 08:23 PM

Liberals have a way of hearing Republicans say things that were never said.

With Bush, its the "eminent threat" quote. He never said it. Ever.

In the case of Lynne Cheney, BOR writers headline that she's ashamed of her daughter. Show me where she said that. On the contrary, she has made it obvious for years, even in the aforementioned article, that she does NOT want her daughters' personal lives brought up in the campaign.

In my case, Grunt (Grunt? I'm responding to a Grunt???) says I'm putting homosexuality on par with a disease. Riiiiight..... see if you can reach your toes while you're stretching. I'm sure you were very pleased with yourself after coming up with that one. You got me. I'm exposed for a fraud. You get an E for effort.

Posted by: Chris Elam at October 14, 2004 10:37 PM

If Kerry had supported massive rollbacks in mental health funding then it WOULD be perfectly appropriate for Bush to point out Kerry's first wife because it would expose Kerry's hypocrisy and unfeeling for someone in his family (or ex-family, I suppose).

Kerry mentioned Mary Cheney for two reasons: one, to put a human face on homosexuality and one who's always known they were gay; and two, to highlight the gaul and hypocrisy of an Administration willing to exploit gay bashing for political gain; you all are focused on a third reason - peeling away bigots - but I think that's only a side effect. And to be honest, not a bad one.

Posted by: Elrod at October 14, 2004 11:52 PM

Elrod wrote

Kerry mentioned Mary Cheney for two reasons: one, to put a human face on homosexuality and one who's always known they were gay; and two, to highlight the gaul and hypocrisy of an Administration willing to exploit gay bashing for political gain;...

Gaul? I thought Kerry was the Francophile French-looking candidate in this election!...

Hint: proofread first, then click the "Post" button. Yes, I know - no one ever proofreads an Internet posting, but in this case the error is unintentionally funny.

Posted by: Jonathan Sadow at October 15, 2004 03:22 AM

Chris Elam,

First, though Bush may have never said the words “immanent threat,” the comments he and his administration made in the lead up to the Iraq war show that he made comments that were synonymous with Iraq being an “immanent threat.” Refer to: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24970

Second, Mary Cheney is out. She was out when she took the job at Coors in Coors’ efforts to stem the loss in sales the boycott of their beer by the GLBT community. Her partner, Heather Poe, even was at the Vice Presidential debates with Mary. It’s not like she was in the closet or anything.

The faux outrage that Lynn Cheney is displaying is the height of hypocrisy. She didn’t have a problem when her husband, Dick Cheney, mentioned he had a gay daughter at a political rally. Dick and Lynn Cheney didn’t have a problem when John Edwards mentioned it in the Vice Presidential debate.

Your comparison of Mary Cheney and Kerry’s First wife are disingenuous. Mary Cheney’s lesbianism has nothing to do with mental health.

Kerry’s record on GLBT issues is so much better than Bush’s. That cannot be argued. I do not agree with Kerry’s stance on marriage, but at least he doesn’t pander to the religious right.

Posted by: texprodigy at October 15, 2004 09:38 AM

Grunt still loves you, Sweetness, even though you resort to ad hominem logical fallacies.

Posted by: Grunt at October 15, 2004 11:07 AM

jonathon, you forgot to point out that aggy wrote "eminent" as opposed to "imminent." if you're going to resort to spelling smack at least be consistent.

Posted by: Sal D at October 15, 2004 11:59 AM
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