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February 28, 2004

Whoa! Baylor Paper Endorses Gay Marriage

By Byron LaMasters

Baylor is about the last place I would have expected this:

Back in California, San Francisco city lawyers filed a lawsuit against the state, arguing local government officials are allowed to advance their own interpretations of state constitutions.

The city also is asking Superior Court Judge James Warren to declare unconstitutional sections of the California Family Code defining marriage as a union of a man and a woman, the AP reported. San Francisco officials believe barring gay marriages violates the equal protection and due process clauses of the state constitution.

The editorial board supports San Francisco's lawsuit against the state. Taking into account equal protection under the law, gay couples should be granted the same equal rights to legal marriage as heterosexual couples. Without such recognition, gay couples, even those who have co-habitated long enough to qualify as common law spouses under many state laws, often aren't granted the same protection when it comes to shared finances, health insurance and other employee benefits, and property or power of attorney rights.

Like many heterosexual couples, many gay couples share deep bonds of love, some so strong they've persevered years of discrimination for their choice to co-habitate with and date one another. Just as it isn't fair to discriminate against someone for their skin color, heritage or religious beliefs, it isn't fair to discriminate against someone for their sexual orientation. Shouldn't gay couples be allowed to enjoy the benefits and happiness of marriage, too?

Editorial board vote: 5-2


Nice. I'm sure the Baylor administration is rolling their heads.

Posted by Byron LaMasters at February 28, 2004 01:41 PM | TrackBack


Comments

I think we can soon expect the Baylor Administration to yank the editorial independence of the students who run the paper.

Posted by: WhoMe? at February 28, 2004 01:47 PM

"Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition."

Posted by: Horace Bunce at February 28, 2004 02:01 PM

Woah. Baylor. That's amazing.

Posted by: Melissa at February 28, 2004 09:51 PM

Now THAT is what I call progress!

Posted by: Leodem at February 28, 2004 11:20 PM

"Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition."

Those who live in glass houses......


I have noticed that conservatives don't know the first thing about Christianity. Here is one lesson: Love thy Neighbor. (This means no gay bashing and no bombing countries after lying about it.)

Posted by: Leodem at February 28, 2004 11:32 PM

You should probably realize Baylor recently removed financial assistance from a student, Matt Bass(?) on campus. He admitted he was homosexual and was in the Truett Seminary. Matt's case probably had great impact in this recent submission. Waco has supported him, to a large degree, and he is even appearing in our local Unitarian Fellowship to speak about it. I am not saying they don't support gay marriage, but I think it probable that the silent majority is speaking out. I see no problem with letting gay couples marry and get the same crappy "Married Filing Jointly" tax breaks the rest of us get. If you care enough to go through the hell of being publicly ostracized because you love someone that deeply, I say you deserve whatever help you can get. There is little enough love in the world as it is.

George
Waco, Texas
29 Feb. 2004

Posted by: George at February 29, 2004 12:59 AM

Actually it's not really surprising at all if you know something of life at the typical mainstream Christian college. I spent some time going to a college that, although much smaller, had a similar culture to Baylor. 25% of the students spent most of their waking moments looking for ways to raise eyebrows and tweak the noses of their elders, especially on issues of hypocrisy. Another 25% of students are robots who slavishly play follow-the-leader to whatever their preachers say. And the middle 50% of the student body mostly just studied and partied and couldn't be bothered to care one way or the other.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that a few smart students at a place like Baylor take great delight in tweaking a few noses and causing a stir. After all, what's the point of college if you can't experiment? Back in the 80s when I was in school it was divestment from South Africa and dancing on campus but same difference.

What would REALLY shock me is if the Southern Baptist Convention endorsed gay marriage. If THAT happened I would be nervously looking over my soldier for signs of the apocalypse!

Posted by: Kent at February 29, 2004 09:29 AM

"Here the country had finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism and they don't want to fight it. They would have, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."

Posted by: Horace Bunce at February 29, 2004 09:42 AM

I wonder why Mr. Bunce puts quotations around all his posts? Perhaps he thinks so highly of himself that he is worth quoting?

Posted by: WhoMe? at February 29, 2004 02:57 PM

"If you would not be forgotten, after you are dead and rotten, either do things worth the writing, or write things worth the reading."

Posted by: Horace Bunce at February 29, 2004 04:06 PM

I'm guessing he's quoting.

Posted by: Tek_XX at February 29, 2004 08:51 PM

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Posted by: Horace the Dunce at March 1, 2004 09:47 AM

ALWAYS refreshing to see an Ann Coulter quote. Thanks, Horace the Dunce. .

Posted by: Deanocrat at March 1, 2004 11:47 AM

"nervously looking over my soldier for signs of the apocalypse!"

?


Also . . . making the email rounds (for which i won't vouch)

In Defense of Biblical Marriage

http://www.thecommongood.org/CGN/3_3/biblicalmarriage.html

The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for the
President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the definition of
marriage. Pray that it will be according to Biblical principles. With
many forces insisting on variant definitions of marriage, pray that God's
Word and His standards will be honored by our government." This is true.

Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action.
So here, in support of the Prayer Team's admirable goals, is a proposed
Constitutional Amendment codifying marriage entirely on biblical
principles:

A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man
and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)

B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in
addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If
the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen
24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the
constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be
construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the
widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does
not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise
punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut
25:5-10)

G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it
is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if
he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old),
tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies
only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)


--from protestants for the common good

Posted by: tony gallucci at March 1, 2004 03:55 PM

You know Georgie will have to reinstate the draft especially when his greed and arrogance takes us to war against Iran, and America you've let him get away with the backdoor draft. Then all the rural folks and cowards that bought his scare tactics that voted for him will rue the day they bought into the catch phrase slogans that elected him instead of looking at his pitiful record. (I know what record?) Forty five years of being sold a product line on image instead of performance for an elected official. Their children will be coming home in body bags and they'll wonder what went wrong? What went wrong! Well it has not happened over night but American's forgot to remind the politician that he is an elected official not a ruler...and the politician has gotten away with being a ruler and not an elected official for so long that they think they need no criticism, Georgie is the pinnacle of this folly. But a leader without a critic will be doomed to failure, a nation that follows a failure for a leader gets all it deserves. So look for no pity from the world for America your going to have to pay for your complacency. By abdicating your responsibility to hold representatives accountable they abrogate your rights to where the states rights are above your individual rights. But as long as you can watch your juvenile reality television, drive your SUV's, and all the lame and talentless movies, so called recording artist what do you care...cause you don't have to fight the oilman's war glossed over with the PR of giving Iraq a democracy, do you? A democracy which will ultimately be a Theocracy and then you'll say," That is why America shed blood?" But you see the politicians want you to believe there is such a thing as a clean war...nice fairy tale story and thats what it is a fairy tale. War is dirty, filthy and insane regardless of how you try to package it. When you have an administration that was to chicken to participate in it in the first place...you end up with the situation that now exists. Inauguration Day: If I were a terrorist, like Georgie boy was afraid I am, though I've an honorable discharge hell that be my primary target. The military leaders have to start getting in to the heads of the terrorist and obviously they have not. To beat a terrorist you can buy into the out terrorising them, but that like America's foreign policies under Georgie has turned Iraq into the seed ground of terrorist. Focus thats how you win at anything...the minute Georgie took focus off of Afghanistan he lost his war on terrorism. But then its nothing less then I'd expect from someone thats never been field tested an armchair warrior...lifes not a comic book Georgie. Forget the ineptness of all the warning signs prior to September 11th, 2001; forget his handling of the Afghanistan War; forget the handling of this Iraq war; the reason Georgie should be tried for treason isn't even the Haliburton or corruption that he is the center of; he should be tried for treason along with the congress and senate for approving a debt of 8 trillion which will be about four times that when all is said and done. They have the nerve vote themselves raises. America should demand the abolishment of the biggest entitlement program of the House and Senates retirement program. These representives that give you below minimum wage productivity in their job performance for obscene amounts of money get paid $15,000 a month plus medical and dental and they only have to serve one term. If Georgie was a president of the people he'd write an executive order striking this down along with a ten year limit on the presidents pensions...That probably in itself would elliminate the 8 trillion dollar debt. But then Georgie has shown little to the American people that he is a president of the people his avarice seems to get in the way. The only credibility he had was Powell and he marginalized him.

Posted by: R.L. Zadworny at December 9, 2004 05:56 PM

You know Georgie will have to reinstate the draft especially when his greed and arrogance takes us to war against Iran, and America you've let him get away with the backdoor draft. Then all the rural folks and cowards that bought his scare tactics that voted for him will rue the day they bought into the catch phrase slogans that elected him instead of looking at his pitiful record. (I know what record?) Forty five years of being sold a product line on image instead of performance for an elected official. Their children will be coming home in body bags and they'll wonder what went wrong? What went wrong! Well it has not happened over night but American's forgot to remind the politician that he is an elected official not a ruler...and the politician has gotten away with being a ruler and not an elected official for so long that they think they need no criticism, Georgie is the pinnacle of this folly. But a leader without a critic will be doomed to failure, a nation that follows a failure for a leader gets all it deserves. So look for no pity from the world for America your going to have to pay for your complacency. By abdicating your responsibility to hold representatives accountable they abrogate your rights to where the states rights are above your individual rights. But as long as you can watch your juvenile reality television, drive your SUV's, and all the lame and talentless movies, so called recording artist what do you care...cause you don't have to fight the oilman's war glossed over with the PR of giving Iraq a democracy, do you? A democracy which will ultimately be a Theocracy and then you'll say," That is why America shed blood?" But you see the politicians want you to believe there is such a thing as a clean war...nice fairy tale story and thats what it is a fairy tale. War is dirty, filthy and insane regardless of how you try to package it. When you have an administration that was to chicken to participate in it in the first place...you end up with the situation that now exists. Inauguration Day: If I were a terrorist, like Georgie boy was afraid I am, though I've an honorable discharge hell that be my primary target. The military leaders have to start getting in to the heads of the terrorist and obviously they have not. To beat a terrorist you can buy into the out terrorising them, but that like America's foreign policies under Georgie has turned Iraq into the seed ground of terrorist. Focus thats how you win at anything...the minute Georgie took focus off of Afghanistan he lost his war on terrorism. But then its nothing less then I'd expect from someone thats never been field tested an armchair warrior...lifes not a comic book Georgie. Forget the ineptness of all the warning signs prior to September 11th, 2001; forget his handling of the Afghanistan War; forget the handling of this Iraq war; the reason Georgie should be tried for treason isn't even the Haliburton or corruption that he is the center of; he should be tried for treason along with the congress and senate for approving a debt of 8 trillion which will be about four times that when all is said and done. They have the nerve vote themselves raises. America should demand the abolishment of the biggest entitlement program of the House and Senates retirement program. These representives that give you below minimum wage productivity in their job performance for obscene amounts of money get paid $15,000 a month plus medical and dental and they only have serve one term. If Georgie was a president of the people he'd write an executive order striking this down along with a ten year limit on the presidents pensions...That probably in itself would elliminate the 8 trillion dollar debt. But then Georgie has shown little to the American people that he is a president of the people his avarice seems to get in the way. The only credibility he had was Powell and he marginalized him.

Posted by: R.L. Zadworny at December 9, 2004 05:58 PM
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