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Bell Goes 3 for 3 in Post-Debate Polls


by: stopkinky

Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 02:51 PM CDT


(Mo-mentum! - promoted by Phillip Martin)

Just as early voting begins, the new SurveyUSA poll is coming out, and it confirms the two other post-debate polls:  Chris Bell is the only candidate to emerge from the pack of challengers to have any chance of beating Perry.

36% - Rick Perry
26% - Chris Bell
19% - Carole Strayhorn
16% - Richard Friedman

Chris Bell is also the only candidate with consistent upward momentum (Strayhorn and Perry wobble up and down and Kinky has a consistent downward trajectory).

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To recap, here are the other two post-debate polls:

Wall Street Journal (an internet based poll which uses a methodology that may oversample younger, pro-technology, well-educated voters, but which weighted to match the race, age, economic profile, and party affiliation splits corresponding with the splits from the latest exit polls from comparable elections in Texas):

37.5% - Rick Perry
26.2% - Chris Bell
13.2% - Richard Friedman
13.0% - Carole Strayhorn

Texans for Insurance Reform (a land-line telephone based poll which uses a methodology that may undersample younger, pro-technology, economically disadvantaged voters, and which  is weighted to match the polling population to the assumption that 40% of the voters will be Republicans, 30% will be Democrats, and 30% will be independents - this poll is conducted by an independent polling firm and financed by Strayhorn supporters):

34.4% - Rick Perry
18.7% - Chris Bell
18.5% - Carole Strayhorn
_8.6% - Richard Friedman

What do these three different polls with three different methodologies tell us?

Perry is inescapably trapped near mid-30%, and he is vulnerable, and this fact is apparent no matter how you collect the data.

Bell is the lone break-away challenger and has strong momentum as confirmed by all three polls and this status is also born out regardless of the data collection method.

Strayhorn seems destined for a third place finish, and Friedman is flushing out as every election anlaysit has predicted since day one.

The question which will determine the outcome of the election is this:  As it becomes increasingly inescapable that only Bell has any hope of beating Perry, will the supporters of Strayhorn and Friedman spite-vote or will they flock to Bell and effect a change in their government. 

Specifically, do the anti-TTC people (whose blog is underwritten by Strayhorn) seek to elect Bell as the only challenger who can stop the TTC or will they go down with the Strayhorn ship and acquiesce to Perry's TTC?

Likewise, do the Friedman supporters who seek to "make a statement" want that statement to be "we punk’d the vote in Texas" or "we put an end to one-party rule in Texas." 

Nothing less important than your future and the future of our state depends on the answers to these questions.

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bell needs a booster-we keep hearing clinton will come. god come soon! kerry will help rally the base for sure. i still wonder if bell can get carole or kinky to step back for the sake of texas.call me naive
art

Dubya is coming, and a few other lame people (0.00 / 0)
TexasInsider.org mentioned today that George W Bush would be in Dallas at a GOP rally for Rick Perry on Nov 6th. Though I wonder at this point if that will help or hurt Perry.

Also says Kinky is going with Lyle Lovett and Carole Strayhorn with Perot '96 running mate Pat Choate. Now that is what I call desperation.

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Excellent! (3.00 / 1)
I particularly liked this:
Likewise, do the Friedman supporters who seek to "make a statement" want that statement to be "we punk’d the vote in Texas" or "we put an end to one-party rule in Texas." 

I'll be using that.  Yep.

Full Disclosure: Former Political Director for Lee Leffingwell for Mayor of Austin


SUSA Trend (5.00 / 1)
I'll have this up in a new post once the full tabs are released later today.
CandidateOctSeptJuneMayApril
Rick Perry (R)36%(35%)(35%) (41%) (39%)
Chris Bell (D)26%(23%)(20%) (18%)(15%)
Carole Strayhorn (I)19%(15%)(19%) (20%) (25%)
Kinky Friedman (I)16%(23%)(21%) (16%) (16%)
OtherTBD(2%)(2%)(1%) (3%)
UndecidedTBD(2%)(3%)(3%) (3%)


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SurveyUSA oversampled Republicans (48%), and undersampled Independents (14%).  The Dallas Morning News poll last month had 40% Republicans, 25% Democrats, and 25% Independents -- a closer representation of Texas' makeup.

I would not put much stock in this poll, it has to be viewed skeptically.

Zogby is an online poll, which can't be trusted as being scientific.


and james can't be trusted (0.00 / 0)
as he has not released anything about who he actually is...

So SUSA over samples Republicans and Bell still does better? Ok.

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so.... (0.00 / 0)
....what you're saying is that Bell should be leading in the poll?

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James, I don't know if you are a troll or just unfamiliar with Texas (5.00 / 2)
but the SurveyUSA assumption of 14% independents is much more accurate than the DMN assumption of 25%.

Are you aware that just over half the vote for both Texas Republicans and Texas Democrats comes from straight party votes?  That means there is about a 28% Republican straight party vote and a 23% Democratic straight party vote in your average non-presidential election year.  That's over half of the vote tied up in voters so partisan-identified that they vote straight party ticket. 

If you go by party identification as measured by exit polling on actual elections (which both SurveyUSA and Zogby do), Texas is about 47% Republican, 37% Democrat, and 16% third party/independent (and about 2% of that 16% is Libertarian).

Plus, complete non-campaigners running as Democrats (like Gene Kelly who gets on the ballot based on name misidentification but then does nothing to promote his campaigns), generally still get about a third of the vote in non-presidential elections.

Texas likes to believe that it is "independent" but in terms of voter's party identification, it is not a very independent state at all.

There is no such thing as a completely reliable poll.  Zogby's accuracy rate is better than most (and SurveyUSA's is even better).  The DMN poll is goofy in its assumptions (as you can see by comparing its internal numbers with every other poll from every other pollster).  Plus the DMN poll was before Strayhorn's debate meltdown so it is irrelevant in measuring how many rats are still on the fast-sinking SS Strayhorn.

If you want to cast a protest vote and you like Strayhorn and you want to send a message that you are wholly untroubled by crass opportunism and infinite flip flopping - she's the candidate for you.

Otherwise, come help us fix Texas' problems that have resulted from unchecked GOP greed.


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Bell is gaining on Facebook (3.00 / 1)
On Facebook, the "poll" that Kinky people love to point to, Bell has increased his proportion of the votes about 40% since the debate, from 7-8% of the vote to 10.5%, most of that percentage coming from Kinky, who before was over 70% and now is at 68.27%.  Considering that the difference is from the number of people that have added support for a candidate since then, the difference is pretty significant.

"I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually."- James A. Baldwin

Facebook is neither limited to Texans nor to voting age people plus (3.00 / 2)
-- if you want -- you can get multiple facebook accounts, right?

This kind of facebook stuff (and rigging clear-you-cookies-and-vote-again on-line polls) is what Kinky supporters did instead of registering voters.  That's a big part of why they'll come in forth. Kinky's focus on facebook instead of voter registration is also clear evidence that Kinky is really seeking to generate a FAN BASE and not a VOTER BASE (he's totally gamed those poor bastards who believe he's in the race for anything other than commercial self-promotion - I'm afraid those most gullible hard-core Kinky guys are just one email away from investing in a Nigerian currency scam).

It cracks me up that Kinky supporters go on about how "young people love Kinky" while the polling shows Bell kicks Kinky's ass among likely voters 18 to 27 years old.


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The geographic sampling for this poll (2.00 / 1)
North Texas - 30%
West Texas - 10%
Harris County - 13%
East Texas - 46%

Yes, it's still weird as heck.

And the polling also says that..

Whites: 40% Perry, 19% Bell, 19% Kinky, 19% Carole

African-Americans: 60% Bell, 23% Strayhorn, 11% Perry, 5% Kinky

Hispanics: 36% Perry, 33% Bell, 18% Strayhorn, 10% Kinky.


polls (0.00 / 0)
Actually, it oversamples Rs (significantly) and Ds (less so) at the expense of Independents.

Most polls that are representative of Texas will have about 38-40% Rs, 30-32% Ds, and 22-25% Independents, and rest of people declining to specify.

rasmussen was immediately after the debate -- October 9th.


You already spammed that above. The Rasmussen poll was RELEASED (3.00 / 1)
shortly after the debate; the poll was CONDUCTED mostly before the debate and post-debate news coverage about Strayhorn's meltdown

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